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- Path: lightning.mgl.ca!snapper
- From: snapper@mgl.ca (Allan Purtle)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
- Subject: Re: Amiga 1200 Internet bundle
- Date: 24 Jan 1996 22:40:33 GMT
- Organization: MGL Systems Internet
- Message-ID: <4e6ch1$8a@thunder.mgl.ca>
- References: <rdingem.48jz@grafix.xs4all.nl> <310644E0.2BF2@topcity.mn.org>
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- Michael M. Rye (1726@topcity.mn.org) wrote:
- : Ruud Dingemans wrote:
- : > In a message of 21 Jan 96 Manou Billa wrote to All:
-
- : > MB> In the French AMIGA NEWS mag Gilles Bourdin said (AMIGA SHOW in Paris,
- : > MB> Dec 95) that the surfer package will be available with 14400 or 28800
- : > MB> modem. But I think the press release only speaks of the 14400 :-(
-
- : RD> Yep, and guess what: looks like Voyager's gonna use MUI. That would
- : RD> leave Aweb as the only MUI-less browser, I guess.
-
- : RD> Regards, Ruud
- : RD> rdingem@grafix.xs4all.nl
-
- : Question: What is the big deal about having an MUI-less Web browser??
- : Ok, two questions, how come so many people dislike MUI?
-
- Well, the big deal has to do with performance, robustness and credibility.
-
- MUI was designed to provide user control over the GUI at a low level, which may or
- may not be a valid goal depending on your point of view. It appears to have met
- its first target goal reasonably well, but was then targetted to provide a more
- comprehensive set of goals, some of which may or may not be condusive to the
- original model employed to implement MUI. Overall, the concept may have been
- flawed by the original goal, yet the implementation model is not too shabby for
- someone with little experience in the model choosen, yet the author invested
- sufficient forethought to come up with the implmentation model which is actually
- saying a lot. Regretably, the actual implementation of the model has to date been
- less convincing that one might have hoped, and putting it blunty, MUI wastes
- considerable processor cycles, thus reducing the actual cycles available to the
- given task as defined by the application availaling itself of the MUI facilities.
-
- As with any project as involed as MUI, considerable manhours are required to
- implement, test and debug the code, which has not been available to the author
- which is certainly understandable given that it is an as available project like
- any PD or shareware undertaking.
-
- Now, when you couple a questionable interface layer with a TCP/IP layer and a
- browser application, things can only go from poor to poorer, especially when the
- people constructing the browsers in many cases have very little previous experience
- building compliant internet applications and in most cases are porting existing
- UNIX code which they may or may not actually understand. Add to this scenario the
- requirement for advanced features in the application, like drag and drop support,
- asyncronous IO, co-opertaive tasking, shared displays etc., then one can only hope
- for something that won't have too many major problems, but experience to date
- suggests that even that is unlikely.
-
- The bottom line is that you are going to chew up considerably more resources than
- need to be, and you will be tied to an unsupported API, and in all likelyhood, a
- 2mb machine will be maxed out.
-
- But its free, so "caveat emptor", and on with life.
-
-
-
-
- : IBrowse uses MUI, and it's a helluva lot faster than AMosaic. I'm actually
- : impressed by the speed of it. Granted IBrowse is only available in alpha
- : stage right now, and it crashes my machine frequently, but I still enjoy
- : using it.
-
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- : * -Michael M. Rye- (Jedi) | Amiga 1200, '030 50 MHz, '882 50 MHz, *
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